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Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:53 pm
by shieldladaoc
Doesn't this change a little bit though because the 2nd style relies on the first style to hit?
Assuming flat 50% PD chance for each attack, wouldn't that then make each swing a coin toss? To hit the reactionary you need to land heads on both coin flips consecutively, and the probability of that is 1/2 * 1/2 * = 1/4?
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:49 am
by Rulke
shieldladaoc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:53 pm
Doesn't this change a little bit though because the 2nd style relies on the first style to hit?
Assuming flat 50% PD chance for each attack, wouldn't that then make each swing a coin toss? To hit the reactionary you need to land heads on both coin flips consecutively, and the probability of that is 1/2 * 1/2 * = 1/4?
See previous posts. Percentages are based on the number of attempts of each style
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:11 am
by STUDBOY
shieldladaoc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:53 pm
Doesn't this change a little bit though because the 2nd style relies on the first style to hit?
Assuming flat 50% PD chance for each attack, wouldn't that then make each swing a coin toss? To hit the reactionary you need to land heads on both coin flips consecutively, and the probability of that is 1/2 * 1/2 * = 1/4?
No you can reproduce the bug just by auto attacking. Any consecutive swing will have a 25% baked in reduction to land BEFORE defense roll of dice. This server must have an anti streak formula in place or this is just an actual bug the staff doesn't know about. It is pretty crippling for classes that rely on followup attacks tho. Like we said before each attack should have its own defense roll. So this is why even though a followup requires a primary attack, both attacks should have relatively same defense penetration %.
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:05 pm
by shieldladaoc
STUDBOY wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 3:11 am
shieldladaoc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:53 pm
Doesn't this change a little bit though because the 2nd style relies on the first style to hit?
Assuming flat 50% PD chance for each attack, wouldn't that then make each swing a coin toss? To hit the reactionary you need to land heads on both coin flips consecutively, and the probability of that is 1/2 * 1/2 * = 1/4?
No you can reproduce the bug just by auto attacking. Any consecutive swing will have a 25% baked in reduction to land BEFORE defense roll of dice. This server must have an anti streak formula in place or this is just an actual bug the staff doesn't know about. It is pretty crippling for classes that rely on followup attacks tho. Like we said before each attack should have its own defense roll. So this is why even though a followup requires a primary attack, both attacks should have relatively same defense penetration %.
Thank you, I see exactly what you mean now.
I will try to observe this as well on my Blademaster.
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:50 am
by netmask
What does the math look like if your opponent is using a high defense bonus attack against you ... like asp bite?
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 9:01 am
by Rulke
netmask wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:50 am
What does the math look like if your opponent is using a high defense bonus attack against you ... like asp bite?
Defence bonus should only apply to misses as I understand it.
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:48 am
by shieldladaoc
bump this should probably be fixed.
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:20 am
by shieldladaoc
I've seen them look at it before. They usually lock the topics once they address them.
I have my doubts this is easy to fix, but it still needs fixed nevertheless.
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:37 am
by shieldladaoc
Has anybody tested just spamming a use anytime style to see if the anti-streak mechanic persists with that?
I also have close to 50% effective parry (66% on sheet) if anybody does want to test against high parry % sometime
Re: Follow up style less likely to hit
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:23 am
by STUDBOY
Anytime was tested also. Same outcome. You can just auto attack and find the same outcome as well.