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Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:38 pm
by n3x1985
Hey guys,

are there any plans to nerf Minstrel? DD DMG is way to high, orange charmed pets hits for 150-250 (on temped healer).
Minst just need to inst stun you then 2xDD , 1 hit in melee + pet hit and you gain 8xx DMG in 1 sec. Nice one!

If this will stay there will be tons of minsterls all around, you dont need any other dps chars ;-) Just fill grp with minst (that can't be CC'd because of pet)

Mezz-Song seems to be to casted to fast too...

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:55 pm
by Xentrix
Minst have always been strong, the thing is;

#1 most minst cant play minst
#2 Minst has a very high skill level
#3 very few good minst players

In summation, don't worry

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:25 pm
by Mortarion
Sorry but that is simply not the case in 2022.

Maybe prior to 2010 your statement about most minstrels being bad would be true.

But now that basically everyone who plays on freeshards uses AHK this is no longer true. Even someone with an IQ of 7 can be successful as a minstrel by getting a good script and smashing their forehead into the keyboard repeatedly.

Minstrel without AHK does have a low floor and high skill ceiling.

Minstrel with AHK has a Empire State Building tourist level floor and basically the same ceiling. An untrained monkey can play a minstrel with AHK.

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:44 am
by Warden
Minstrel doesnt have a high level skill required. Even I was complaining about then and tried it for the first time and I could easily win 1v1 or 1v2 only after 30 hours on it.

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:56 am
by Blackie
Feedback: Minstrel flute mezz starts at the first tick as a mess on enemy the moment they push the key. This never been this way.

IO: They push the flute mezz button, = Other enemy messed, Can move but cant cast any abilities or do something under the time you fluting around.

So all you minstrel's out there take advantage of this while you can.

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:35 pm
by Hylor
n3x1985 wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:38 pm Hey guys,

are there any plans to nerf Minstrel? DD DMG is way to high, orange charmed pets hits for 150-250 (on temped healer).
Minst just need to inst stun you then 2xDD , 1 hit in melee + pet hit and you gain 8xx DMG in 1 sec. Nice one!

If this will stay there will be tons of minsterls all around, you dont need any other dps chars ;-) Just fill grp with minst (that can't be CC'd because of pet)

Mezz-Song seems to be to casted to fast too...
Minstrels do have some burst in the opening but they have almost no sustain. After the opening salvo a minst basically has to decide to trying to melee or just extend around and interrupting. Sure there are simple things like having insta stun and a mezz that you can move while casting that are unique and powerful but to play one well does take skill. I have literally seen mistrels use their stun to pull mobs in PvE, these people are not always the brightest. To play a slippery and deadly minstrel takes a ton of work compared to many simpler classes.

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:49 am
by rgarrett
anyone can play a mist its not hard class is op

specially since all the minst hackers use auto hotkey

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:59 am
by Idi
Is, and has been, THE dumbest class in the game, bar none. Everything about this class is stupid. The three most powerful abilities in the game are stealth, speed, and casted crowd control, and the minstrel has all three, plus the ability to not only charm a pet, but to charm pets higher con then they are.

The minstrel is just a stupid class that's OP af in this game, and always will be.

Hence why there's always so many of them....

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:37 pm
by Fin / Valar
Yeah I feel the ones who shout to the 4 winds that "Mins need skill skill skill" are the one who never played, say, a pac Healer, or a Bard, or even a Skald. The skill required to play a minstrel is: good AHK macros OR fast fingers to press 2 keys: one to release the pet, wait for CC removal from the above said pet, charm pet again.
Wow, such skill so good!

The hard part to play a Mins is exactly the same for any support/interrupter toon: not get overextended, watch your targets, go back to party to give speed/sos when needed. The skald do the same things, but does not have a friendly red pet when a demezz is needed :mrgreen:

Re: Let's talk about Minstrel

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:34 am
by Poplik
I don't really mind anything else but being able to just shrug off mezz and root with the pet is just plain stupid. It's not even 'high skill' you literally just press one button.